Why No "Fruits Basket 2?"
Note: If you've never read the Fruits Basket manga that TokyoPop has currently released, there will be some SPOILERS involved as I will be referencing the manga. Someone complained to me about this aspect, so now I've warned you. ^_^;;;
With Fruits Basket being one of the best-selling manga in the United States (each new volume scores well on USA Today's Top 150 Best-Selling Books list and even managed to place during the ultra-crowded Christmas buying season) and with the anime being one of FUNimation's top sellers, it is only natural that fans in the U.S. would want a second series (or season) to be produced. With the manga having ended last December in Japan, the question many fans have had is, "where is Furuba 2?"
From the start, there has been resistance on the part of the Japanese to do a sequel to the very popular anime title. DAICHI Akitaro (大地丙太郎), who directed Fruits Basket, showed reluctance to do a sequel as seen in the interview on one of the FUNimation DVDs. If you own the DVD's, make sure to take a look at this.
In May 2004, I was talking with Japanese fan SUGIYAMA Tamihiro. We discussed the Furuba anime (along with other stuff. Here's the relevant portions of that discussion.
T: I havent read the manga and I'm rather a newbie on this title, so concerning an anime sequel I owe the debate to the fans who are talking on "Furuba" boards. According to them in an interview the director Daichi was rather negative on the possibility. Fans are willing to see a sequel, but they think it wont be soon anyways. Following the conclusion of the manga perhaps? They arent sure either.
A: Any word on why Daichi was negative on the possibility? I loved the series and would love to see more.
T: This I didnt know the detail so I went to director Daichi's private site and asked for a comment on his BBS. His answer was, "In short because I havent been asked to" from the investors. Gees. *lol*
At this point, I began to really doubt that we'd get any more anime and we'd have to wait for the manga (two volumes had been released in the U.S. at that time and fourteen tankoubons in Japan).
Still, FUNimation seemed keen on carrying the project forward and doing what it took to get things done. They even did a project where they sent a 1000 (or so) cranes to Japan to show how serious they were about doing another series. I don't know if FUNimation offered to pony up cash for the series as a sponsor (which you'll note, a lack of sponsorship is a reason Daichi-san states no sequel had been done).
In June 2006, Animetique had this news from Adam Sheehan (FUNimation Marketing Director)which came out of Wizard World Philly convention as to the reasons for no sequel to Furuba.
- The Voice Cast - Most of the voice cast has retired and they aren't interested in coming back to do a second series. They came out of retirement to do the first season. Coming out of retirement again is less appealing.
- The Mangaka - Natsuki Takaya (the mangaka - creator of the manga) didn't like the anime's director, Akitaro Daichi. If they were to do a second season, Takaya would want to replace the director.
- The Producton Company - Unlike Takaya, the production company, NAS, likes Daichi and would want him to do the second season.
Item one is bogus because if you'll look at the seiyuu list, most of them are still working titles in anime to this day. Besides, even in Japan, casting has changed for titles at times when the desire has been there to proceed with a new series.
That leaves us with item 2 & 3, which sounds very much like the disagreement between manga-ka Tsuda-sensei and ANNO Hideaki (of Neon Genesis Evangelion fame) over his direction of the anime adaptation of her Kare Kano manga.
So, I made it my mission to discover what about the anime adaptation of Furuba might have upset Takaya-sensei. I don't think she would have been upset by the little additions such as Uo-chan and Hana-chan coming over to Shigure's house to visit Tohru and help her clean just before New Years. I don't think that Takaya-sensei would have minded having Kyo-kun's true-form story moved to the end of the anime for dramatic purposes. So, I came up with two reasons that she may have objected to his work.
First, Daichi-san completely removed the hat element from the anime adaptation. From the very first chapter, Takaya-sensei made a point of displaying the hat (which I've colored red).
Now notice Tohru's tent as seen in the anime.
Notice there's no hat in the anime.By volume 2 of the manga, Takaya-sensei had told the story of the hat from Tohru's point of view, but Daichi-san had decided to remove the hat story from his version, apparently seeing it as not important or did not want to have a dangling plot thread unresolved. Now that we know the hat initially belonged to Kyo-kun and was given to Tohru by Yuki-kun (something Takaya-sensei had planned from the start as I understand it), you can understand why this omission would irritate her.
However, the biggest change Daichi-san made was to the character of Akito-san. Now, the seiyuu casting isn't really a problem (it is on the English dub) because the voice is ambiguous enough so as not to reveal Akito-san's big secret. However, Takaya-sensei had always intended for Akito-san to play the part of the god-figure from the zodiac legend. As such, all of the Juunishi (zodiac) are bound to Akito-san and thus Akito-san's word becomes a law which they cannot disobey (at least, not without great effort and pain to themselves, as we've seen in the manga).
So, Daichi-san came up with his own explanation of Akito-san. Now instead of being the god-figure in the legend, the curse goes into the body of Akito-san and as such, Akito-san has been born to die for the Juunishi, so they do as they are told by Akito-san as some sort of obligation (at least, that's how I understood it from the Japanese version). Further, Kazuma-dono works with Akito-san when it comes to forcing Kyo-kun to show his true form in front of Tohru, something Kazuma-dono would NEVER do based on the manga. Not only that, but when Akito-san attacks Tohru in the last episode (something which is in keeping with the character but not in the manga), Yuki-kun, Shigure, and Hatori all rush to stop Akito-san and go against him. None of them save Momiji-kun have stood up to Akito-san thus far in the manga because at this point, they cannot do so.
I imagine this modification on the part of Akito-san by Daichi-san is the main reason she dislikes his adaptation of her manga. I suspect that she wasn't consulted about this ahead of time, otherwise I'm sure she would have told him who Akito-san truly was. If she did tell him, then that would give her more reason not to want him to do a sequel.
However, this is all pure speculation and short of being able to interview Takaya-sensei myself, I doubt we'll ever learn the truth.
Still, should there be a sequel, how can the anime rectify things? The hat story is easy enough to pick up. Some minor retconning would have to be done in the form of flashbacks to Tohru in the tent and first moving to Shigure's house, and her version of the story would have to be told early. Other than that, it should be easy to recover that. The stuff about Akito-san's dying for the Juunishi is going to be a huge (nearly impossible) hurdle to overcome as is those members of the Juunishi standing up to Akito-san.
In the end, I no longer believe there will be a sequel to this anime title. Indeed, doing this research where I watched the anime and read the manga at the same time depressed me a bit and makes the final episode of the anime difficult to watch. That said, both will still remain favorites of mine even if we never get a sequel anime series.
Update (27 January 2007): Apparently, Takaya-sensei stated that she does not want another Furuba series, but the site that had this information has since pulled it. If I find something, I'll add it as well.
Update (19 May 2007): Word is at Anime Boston 2007, FUNimation reported they are still trying to convince the powers that be to create a sequel series to Furuba. I don't think it will work, but you never know.

16 comments:
I appreciate your speculatons on the reasons why a second season of Fruits Basket would not happen. I agree about the hat and how if there was a possible second season, it would be easy to incoporate it into the first season. I also agree with you about Akito. That would be harder to modify.
Thanks for posting your thoughts on an issue I've been very curious about for a while. I haven't read the manga, but I imagine ALL mangas get changed a fair bit in the process of conversion.
While I don't know the details, it seems to me that the Akito issue isn't that much of a problem really. After all, just because the family TOLD Tohru that Akito was cursed, that doesn't make it true. It could just be an "outer secret" they were obliged to tell, and, as Tohru becomes closer to the family, she could be told or find out the "inner secret".
Maybe I'm just hoping against hope!
First, thanks to "Anonymous" for your remarks. Also thanks to Eyeresist. ^_^
Eyeresist -- get the manga! Seriously, if you can afford it, it is a worth-while purchase and one of TokyoPop's best-done titles. Plus, you get to read about the other two Juunishi (the rooster and the horse).
Now, as to your remarks on anime adaptations modifying the original source manga (or novels), you are correct in that this does happen. As I stated, I doubt Takaya-sensei was bothered by some of the changes such as moving Kyo-kun's story to the end but was bothered that Akito-san was changed to not be the god-character.
I still haven't found the posting where Takaya-sensei stated she did not want another anime done, but were another anime to be done, to get it back on track with the manga would feel like retconning (IMO). So another "Furuba" anime might have to just tell its own story and just use elements here and there from the manga.
We'll see what happens, though.
Too bad about there not being any second season.
I actually liked the anime a LOT better than I liked the manga. When I read the manga, I was often disappointed at the differences. I did like some parts about it, but overall I found it weaker than the anime. I'm almost relieved the anime ended where it did. I liked the open-ending, with Tohru not chosing anyone. I felt poor Yuki got neglected in the manga, in favor of the more popular Kyo. (I like Yuki better.)
Still, it's too bad. It would have been interesting to see how they would adapt the later volumes in the anime version.
"liked the open-ending, with Tohru not chosing anyone. I felt poor Yuki got neglected in the manga, in favor of the more popular Kyo. (I like Yuki better.)"
If you look back at the manga, you see that Takaya-sensei appeared to have set up a Kyo-Tohru pairing from the beginning. After all, Tohru was the one who said she wanted to become "the cat" (meaning a member of that zodiac were it a sign). Tohru told Kyo she loved him very early on because he was the cat. Despite seeing his true self, Tohru went after him to make sure he didn't leave her.
Tohru choosing was never a real element as I read the manga. Sure, Takaya-sensei created some romantic tension, but as I see it, she always had it in mind for Kyo and Tohru to be together (I write this assuming many things since I've only read what TokyoPop has released).
... ok ... so i'v all read ur opinions ... mine is ... hell i hated the way they made the anime ... it was skimming the series and i'd only read the fifth volume ... i loved how the storyline was progressing in the manga ... it showed the stories and hardships of each and every zodiacs situation ... i think ... i've only read until 18 ... so i'm still not completely sure ... but anywayz ...
... if there was no objection to creating another season ... with a few addings and adjustments it would be pulled off ... i'd have to rewatch the anime though ... but it just made me mad the way the did the anime ... i wasn't very happy with the hat story being put out since i've been reading the series ... as to the curse ... in vol 18 it reveals a little that akito believes that he is god because everyone says so ... when kureno is being yelled at by the servants for releasing rin ... this might be wrong because i was reading scanslations not the us manga ... so thats easily adjusted ... as to akito and tohru ... the ones to defend her increased in numbers i'm not sure ... i'd have to finish the series and rewatch the anime ...
... i hate when things are left half ??? done ... hell ... i won't be happy until i finsh the anime ... thats y i hate watching the anime before the manga ... its unsatisfying ...
.. THIS IS MY OWN OPINION ...
"thats y i hate watching the anime before the manga ... its unsatisfying ... "
First, thanks for the comments. ^_^
As to the the remark I quoted, I'm just the opposite. *lol* For anime like "Negima!," "xxxHOLiC," "Tsubasa," (just to name three off the top of my head), I find that reading the manga first has made the watching of the anime more difficult since the anime adaptations are weaker (sometimes much weaker) than their manga source. I plan on writing an article about this sometime in the near future.
hey so i get that there might not be another tv series but will there be more books?
In Japan, the last tankoubon (volume 23) was just published in Japan. As of this posting, that means we have eight more volumes to be published by TokyoPop. After that, its all over and we'll have to see what new title Takaya-sensei comes up with (if any).
I understand all of the production "biological" issues behind not creating a series. If I were the manga writer, I would be sincerely torqued at such a mishandling of a beautiful story arc.
HOWEVER...as a fan of the anime who has not yet read the manga (but would like to), I was sorely disappointed by the end of the anime. If I hadn't cheated and read spoilers before finishing it, I would have been crushed!
As a proud amateur writer myself I can see many different routes a sequel could take. I like what eyeresist said about the "outer secret." I may be recalling this poorly, but the family never stated Akito must die, Akito himself did. My observation of what Akito's manga counterpart experienced seems to leave a lot wanting in the anime, but this is precisely why a manga could be so fruitful (no pun intended). With that much content unexplored, and a manga sequel impossible, the anime has so much room to explore!
1) Kyo and Tohru's coupling seemed hasty at the end of the anime. I was convinced Yuki would put up more of a fight, although he's too dignified for open jealousy. Perhaps the writers could find a way to develop Yuki's feelings in a way the manga left off (promptly finding a recipient for his unrequited love...come on, we knew he loved Tohru, and it wasn't "mother" love in the anime at all. He made far more moves on her that Kyo ever did). Kyo is my favorite candidate for Tohru (I'm married to a Kyo) but Yuki has a fighting chance. The Yuki I know would attempt to reconcile his friendship with Tohru, in spite of knowing the family "set up" all along left him without a chance. This attempt at emotionally healing intimacy with Tohru would probably inadvertantly draw Tohru closer to him and drive an even deeper wedge between himself and Kyo.
2)The hate issue between Kyo and Yuki could take at least ten episodes to resolve. As the anime propounds several times, they have no room in their heart for love if they still hate each other. I feel the anime left the origin of that hate in Akito's lap. The resolution of it could be entirely wrapped up in Akito's revelations.
3)The other members of the zodiac would have plenty of room to introduce themselves in a second season, giving rise to new anime "poofs" and imagery (the manga was far less poofy from what I understand...i.e. less transformation-humor).
4)There are plenty of back-story revelations for Tohru to explore by herself and with her friends. I personally would like some more exploration of Kyoko's past before Tohru came into the picture. Tohru could even endure some "changing" or as we writers call, some "dynamics" to her character, perhaps a little toughening of resolve...something characteristically large for her, but small to the rest of us.
5)As us real-life Kyo-loved ones know, relationships with "Kyo" types aren't magically hunky dory one day. In fact they usually have very awkward beginngings but beautiful bonds. If the series could embrace some forwardness the manga didn't have room for, we could even catch a glimpse into what Kyo and Tohru go through just being together in that house (all kinds of humor available with the older three zodiacs on hand), and that itself could develop the idea of Kyo taking Tohru with him traveling.
I'm sure everyone here knows full well that the series has potential. In fact, my only reason for posting this was to demonstrate to possible higher-up readers, somehow, that the desire, and the ability, is there to enjoy a greater run from this title. Far too many good titles are left without better use of their energies, for various reasons which as a fan of anime and manga both I simply describe as "dumb."
Thanks for writing those ideas, Elise. ^_^ I've no doubt that should Takaya-sensei had not expressed her displeasure with the anime adaptation, things like you describe could well have been done. In essence, the anime would become more of its own entity and left the manga. This kind of anime adaptation is not uncommon in Japan. For example, the anime "Fullmetal Alchemist" left its manga parent about half-way through the story and created its own end. Fans who've read the manga state that the manga story is so much better.
Still, while it is sad that there won't be a "Furuba 2" (short of something wild happening), I did enjoy reading your ideas. I hope you get to read the manga at some point as I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. ^_^
I'd be interested in reading what Natsuki Takaya said about the Fruits Basket anime. I mean, it does seem likely that the last episode soured her on the adaptation. On the other hand, her dislike could just as easily be rooted in something else. For all we know, maybe she didn't like Akitaro Daichi's directing style or the seiyuu.
Akito's writing would be difficult to get around, and at this point, I think it would be even more difficult for another Furuba anime to be made: the manga is over, no more merchandise has been produced, and anime studios are always eager to move onto the "next big hit."
It's a shame, because for all the added depth and characterization of the manga, I love the anime -- both for its humor and warmth, along with the gentle depiction of the manga's themes. I generally don't watch adaptations of my favourite manga series; for the most part, they seem flat and unimaginative to me. But the Furuba anime is completely different.
For all we know, maybe she didn't like Akitaro Daichi's directing style or the seiyuu.
Well, that's possible. I know that Takaya-sensei seemed pretty happy with the seiyuu choices for the audio drama and a few (Tohru for example) have new seiyuu for the anime.
Anyway, I still love the Furuba anime, though it is difficult to watch the final episode now that I've read almost all of the manga.
BTW, I too have difficulties these days with anime's based on manga that I've read the manga first. If I haven't read the manga first, I'm usually OK with the anime adaptation but if I've read the manga first...*_* Well, some adaptations are better than others, eh?
Personally, I think that they should start over with the anime, though that would take a lot of time and money. I liked the first one, but I found myself going "No, that's not supposed to happen." and "Why did Kyo-kun do that?" Also, I hated that they didn't use Japanese honorifics. (that's what they are, right?)
All in all, I see no chance to get a second season. They'd have to start over if they did.
"Also, I hated that they didn't use Japanese honorifics. (that's what they are, right?)"
Yeah, they are called honorifics. FUNimation did use the core honorifics (of which "-kun" is one) in the subtitles. Honorifics are rarely used in dubs though. That's generally because most dub watchers aren't interested in that from what I understand.
Yeah, they should start over. Just like what we're seeing now with FMA:Brotherhood.
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